Evangelicals are outraged at A&E’s suspension of Phil Robertson, patriarch of the family in the hit show “Duck Dynasty.” But did anyone hear what Mr. Robertson said about Black people?
Lots of posts have already been written about Phil’s opinions on human sexuality (here, here, and here to name a few). But I wonder if Christians in the blogosphere and on social media noticed the other statements in article in GQ or just the excerpts about homosexuality. Here are Phil Robertson’s comments about a bygone and, in his opinion, better era for African Americans.
Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
You can read the rest of the interview from GQ magazine here.
So, Blacks were happier during the Jim Crow era? Does he assume that all Blacks now are on welfare?
I’ve actually heard similar reasoning quite often. Usually these comments come from older Whites who grew up in the South and remember it fondly. I understand their point. They look back on their experience of a historical moment that was mostly positive, and they want to remember it that way. The problem in a segregated society, then and now, is that our perceptions tend only to reflect our particular realities. We have little exposure to the realities of others, including an awareness of their hardships.
What Phil Robertson and others get wrong is how they diagnose the state of race relations in America. They use external cues like the frequency of a smile, and their personal exposure to overt instances of racism to judge the climate of a culture. But what some people fail to understand is that there are unwritten rules of conduct when Blacks interact with Whites.
Listening to A Black Sharecropper’s True Feelings
My wife’s grandmother was a sharecropper in pre-Civil Rights era Louisiana, the very same time and the very same place that Phil Robertson asserts Blacks were “singing and happy.” I had a long conversation with her about the experience of sharecropping and wrote about it (Driving Miss Daisy: A Conversation about Racism, Sharecropping, and the Gospel). Her story is different from the one Mr. Robertson describes.
“Well they called it “share” cropping, but you really didn’t share anything. You’d grow as much as you could and you’d basically give everything to the ‘Boss Man,’” she explained.
As I probed further she described how she really felt about her White bosses.
“So how did you feel about the Boss Man and White people?” “Oh, I hated them. I really, really did.” She was frowning again, and shaking her head this time. “I was mad at what they did to us. I had to walk eight miles to school each way. Rain, cold, hot, whatever. The school bus used to pass us by. We couldn’t ride it because we were Black. Sometimes there’d be this big ‘ol bus and only two white children riding it. The bus would pass by close enough to splash water on us, but they wouldn’t pick us up.”
Thankfully, my grandmother’s story is one of redemption. Her faith in Christ helped her overcome her hatred of Whites. She now attends a predominantly White church and the dearest people in her life, the ones who were there when her husband died of cancer, are White.
Finding a Smile
But what my sharecropping grandmother knew and what most all Blacks in that day knew is that you had to comport your self in a certain way around White people. Of course Blacks appeared content! In a day when any hint of disrespect or dissatisfaction could get you fired, your house burned, a family member beaten, or a person killed you learned how to put on a “happy face.” Few Black people would have risked arousing the ire of a White by expressing their true feelings at a particular situation.
Plus, even in an oppressive situation people find a way to smile. What’s the alternative? You can either dwell on the hardship of your situation constantly or you can acknowledge it and resolve that oppression will not steal your joy. If Blacks in the Jim Crow era seemed cheerful, it’s because they consciously chose hope over despair.
It’s possible that Phil Robertson knew Blacks who were genuinely happy. It’s possible that in his community there truly were exceptionally positive relationships between Blacks and Whites. It’s possible, but not likely. What’s probably closer to reality is that he saw Black people who knew the rules. They knew what they could say and do around Whites who held the power. Even if those Whites were lower-income or “white trash” as Mr. Robertson describes it. There was still a cultural curtain separating the races.
Using Tools of Discernment
We all need to examine our tools of discernment. What are we using as evidence for a hypothesis about a people? Are we employing superficial and anecdotal proofs for our theories? Or are we engaging in meaningful dialogue with those who are different from us? Are we reading books and articles to inform our opinions?
As a Christian I believe the Good News of Jesus Christ motivates us to imitate Him. Jesus came down from His throne in Heaven to inhabit the place of His people. He entered into our human experience and He took on our condition in order to serve us. Christians who clothe themselves with Christ-like humility will gain the spiritual tools necessary to compassionately read the culture of others.
The black family was clearly better off during those years. What so many people label “progress” would be better labeled the “disintegration of society.” We have no ground to claim moral superiority to our fathers. If we use a Christian standard to measure well being, relative to today blacks were better in many ways. Have you considered that Phil might actually have a point?
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/03/black-news/the-black-family-is-worse-off-today-than-in-the-1960s-report-shows/
Would love to discuss this with you brother. It appears that this has caused more harm than good and we must be careful because the entire approach is to compare or place the sin of homosexuality right next to being black and they are totally two different avenues.
My grandfather was a poverty stricken sharecropper in a little town in Alabama, a white man with 9 kids and a wife to feed. It wasn’t just black folks “share” cropping…it was a hard life for many back then.
Mr. Robertson didn’t say that no one mistreated blacks. He said he personally didn’t see it. You appear to begrudge him for commenting on his own experiences. My mother and her brothers and sisters were treated unkindly because they were so poor, abuse wasn’t limited to black people, just as it is not today.
I think your grandmother has the right idea. Put Christ first and the rest falls into place. Too much was made out of Robertson’s remarks, on both sides.
There were Germans that never saw the brutalizations of the Holocaust but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Phil isn’t suggesting that mistreatment of Blacks didn’t occur rather that he never witnessed it. Should we be asking if he is lying or if his experience was somehow different and more importantly, why were the Blacks in his life godly, happy and not singing the victimization blues like Grandma was? The author already answered the question for us…in a Word…Christ. It is highly unlikely that the man who publicly and rightly divides woman’s vagina from man’s anus would wince at an honest depiction on race. Whereas (on a lighter note), does anyone else chuckle that the Black author whose ministry it is to reach Blacks is claiming that the man whose ministry it is to reach everyone is ‘racial’?
Also as far as him saying he “never saw”. I think he may have a habit of over simplifying a story when speaking. In this video, http://www.iamsecond.com/seconds/the-robertsons/, when he describes his youth, he says “I never heard anyone say we were poor. Not once”. Sounds similar.
Unfortunately, I think his comments were misunderstood. He was not saying black people were happy because of their circumstance. They were happy spiritually DESPITE their circumstance. He was trying to witness to the interviewer so his comments revolved around spiritual treasure as apposed to earthly treasure. That’s why in describing them, he said “they were godly” before he said happy or not singing the blues. Some people are miserable today despite us living in the most prosperous time in history. Back then when things were worse for a lot of people and no social net to fall back on .(pre-entitlement, pre-welfare) people were happy. Families were closer, stronger. He was saying, in the worst of times, God can make people “happy”.
As the great-grandson of a white landowner, who was a Christian, during this time, I am deeply grieved by this kind of article.
I spoke with my family about this and this is what my grandfather said: Blacks were mistreated in Georgia during this time, but not by our family. We had one table, and everyone who lived on our farm, ate at it. I can remember being teased about this going to school and my father simply said there is neither Jew nor Greek, but we are one in Jesus and that as Christians we obey the word.
I think that there is a discounting of a reality that existed then, and today, which is namely Land-Ownership Privilege. Land Ownership is the means of wealth.
This is good. Thanks for articulating perspective so well.
Thank you for this article. It was well written and thoughtful. Grace to you.
Admittedly this article is very insightful and makes a lot of good points.
But in Phil’s defense, the black people he worked with could have genuinely been happy. Sure this was the Jim Crow era, but I’m not convinced that ALL black people hated ALL white people, just like how I’m not convinced that ALL white people were violent racists. My grandparents who were young adults in the 60’s lived in Arkansas, and while they experienced racism from some whites, they experienced friendship and equality with non-racist whites.
around the racist whites, they did have to comport themselves, but around non-racist whites, they were their own “happy” selves.
The Robertson’s could have very well been a non-racist family who created a delightful enough atmosphere that really made their black employees genuinely happy.
We must not assume that just because this was the Jim Crow era, the blacks on the Robertson farm were putting on a front every day at work.
Hey Chad, I saw the same thing when I was young too. “Happy Blacks”. Then in 1980 Odessa, Texas forced intigration and I could not believe the hate on TV every night. But when I was saved in 1999 I began to notice something in the white church when blacks weren’t around. An attitude that only came out after “they” “knew” I was one of ” them”. After 10 years of many professing Christian’s stomach turning attitudes, I decided to speak up. I was angry by this time and I said things that were wrong and mean. I need forgiveness but also I need to know I am not alone in my thinking. RAAN and thefrontporch has helped with that. I am still learning with you.
Good words. I to am a Christian and believe we should give everyone the benefit of doubt as to their motivation. What I mean is Mr. Robertson from what I have seen is not a man of mean spirit. He does say things off the cuff and sometimes it is confusing. I do not believe he was sneaking for the whole south, for the State of Louisiana, white people or Christians. He was just answering questions put forth by a reporter. It is also very likely that he was interviewed for a long time and the reporter used only a small portion of what was said. I agree it is nice to have everyone educated as s all the facts about segregation and other areas in life. One nice thing about all of this is it did start a discussion about these issues. Thanks again for you wise words.
Jemar, thanks for your thoughts and an example of firm correction, yet restrained patients, as God seems to be bringing just one opportunity after another to test the resolve of those of us who could be hatefully angry. I’m in school here.
“I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash.”
I think this line is particularly jarring. It assumes the normativity of white privilege.
My mother grew up in rural, southern Georgia in the 1930s. That was the way of life and the way whites were raised. She herself said many times that she was poor, white trash and the only thing lower than her was a “n” word. Times were very tough for her. She picked cotton, took care of her 7 siblings (she was the oldest), worked hard and survived. She recently passed away and had quite a few black friends that would sing gospel songs and pray with her. She used the “n” word her whole life, but I still loved her.
I agree, but even though that may be true, we must not assume that Phil endorses the idea of white privilege. if anything, he recognizes the hand that blacks have been dealt here in the united states by privileged whites due to the fact that his being a farmer (white trash) caused him to experience similar treatment in those days.
And even if he didn’t experience similar treatment in those days, he’s certainly experiencing it today even as a millionaire; I’ve heard various news networks refer to Phil as a “backwoods hillbilly who is not current with the times.”
Good points, Chad.
I don’t believe that was his intent. Unfortunately back then, he was probably called white trash. He said he grew up in the 1950s but where he lived looked like the 1850s.
You say that like (in some twist of logic) that isn’t the very thing that “pre-civil rights” was all about, which is why there was a civil rights movement because obviously there was such an attitude.
I took that as historical present — in the scene he’s describing, he’s working with the black workers.
Well said
Well written. Thanks for bringing this situation into perspective by broadening all of ours. It is much needed.
Great article brother. I do agree that maybe it was the context in which it was said. It seems as if he was coming from a perspective of the blacks that he did know, but probably needed to do a little more investigation of the the ones who were affected by the Jim Crow Laws. And like you said at the end its probably best to read up on the culture of others especially those who are in Christ. At the same time, it does appear that he was speaking from his perspective but it probably was not wise to mention the line about Jim Crow etc.
Thank you, Jemar, for this balanced perspective. Gotta consider the context and take each person’s comments as his/her own opinion, coming from his/her own experience and perspective, not as objective or absolute/”Gospel truth” of how things really were for everybody. I’ve been inspired to read of African-Americans who were giants of godly character despite horrible injustices they suffered throughout our country’s history, because they let nothing and no one steal their joy of knowing Christ. (Of course, I say this not to excuse or enable former unjust institutions or laws!) God bless your Grandmother! I look forward to meeting her!
Thank you for sharing this.